半径影业 韦恩斯坦旗下公司
吉尔·弗里森 制 作
摩根·内维尔 电影
这是一条挺长的路 It... it's a bit of a walk, you know,
从鼓手旁边走到台前 from, you know, back by the drummer over here.
走向台前的这几步百感交集 That walk to the front is... is complicated.
伴唱是个有点埋没人才的职业 Singing background remains a somewhat unheralded position, you know.
能走过来很不容易 So people make that leap.
录音室C 封闭排练 已预订
你们这部分如何演绎 So, what you guys do on that part?
这不仅仅是演唱形式的跨越 It's almost more of a mental leap than...
更是一种心理的跨越 than just the physical act of singing.
这是一种理念上的跨越 It's a conceptual leap,
如果能从心理方面准备好 and if you can comfortably come up with it, you know,
你将发现属于自己的聚光灯 then you may find a spot out there.
但我认识很多厉害的伴唱歌手 But I know tremendous backup singers
其实并不甘心待在幕后 who just aren't comfortable in that position.
你得自我陶醉 具有自我意识 You gotta have that narcissism, you gotta have that ego.
可以开始了吗 So shall we do it?
这可能会是一段漫长的路程 It can be a pretty long walk.
1 2 3 One, two, three!
离巨星二十英尺
我们的事业具有一种魔力 There's a power to what it is that we do.
大家都不怎么认可这个职业 No one till right now has publicly acknowledged it,
贾妮丝·彭达维斯
却都喜欢看到伴唱歌手 but people love to see the background singers.
当你想到路·里德的《Walk On The Wild Side》 I mean, when you think about Lou Reed, "Walk On The Wild Side,"
这首标志性的歌曲 you know, that iconic song with
有句让很多人不舒服的歌词 the line that makes a lot of people uncomfortable
因为歌词说 "黑人女孩" because it says "Colored girls."
但唱那句 But what is he... what is he referencing
"And the colored girls say do-do-do-do-do" 时 他是想说 when he says, "And the colored girls say do-do-do-do-do"
那些站在舞台上为他们伴唱的姑娘们 The fact that there's a power to these women
具有独特的魅力 that stand on stage and sing with these guys.
伴唱歌手为舞台注入了更多的活力 Backup singers just bring so much more life to the situation.
琳·梅布里
他们一开唱 舞台就有了活力 When a voice opens up, there comes the life.
这是一个面对面交流的时刻 That's when it's a person-to-person connection.
你无需坚持个人的音色特征 You don't hold on necessarily to your individual vocal persona.
因为你要试着将你的音色 'Cause you're trying to get your persona
与他人的歌声相融合 这太棒了 to blend and mesh with the other voices. That's awesome.
你与他人的歌声交汇时 会有独特的效果 There's something that happens when you lock in with somebody
所有的和声音效一出来 and all the harmonics ping, and, I mean,
乔·劳瑞
你不喜欢它 还能喜欢什么呢 if you don't like that, what do you like?
我是个变色龙 可以模仿不同人的歌声 I could... I could be different people, a chameleon, you know.
辛迪·米泽尔
就像换衣服一样 你永远不会感到无聊 It's just like you could change up. You're never bored.
我是组合成员 我争取到了这个 I'm a part of the sisterhood. I got to earn this.
夏洛特·克罗斯利
这不再只是我的一个梦想 It wasn't just a dream that I had
我真的演唱了这些歌 并且唱在调上 I actually got to sing these songs and sing on key.
作为伴唱歌手 他们希望你来到录音棚 As a background singer, they would like you to come in,
把歌变好听 make things sound great,
大卫·拉斯利
默默无闻 take very little credit...
然后赶紧回家 and go home quickly.
玛丽娜基督教会
感谢您 耶稣 Thank you, Jesus.
感谢您 神父 Thank you, Father.
梅布尔·约翰博士 前伴唱歌手
上帝赐予了我们创造的能力 对吗 God gave us the ability to create, didn't he?
- 是的 - 好 - Yes, he did. - OK.
今天我们用音乐来证实 Today we're gonna pin this down to music.
我看到孩子们能唱出滑音 颇为欣赏 I see these kids doing this slide, I said, "Oh, child."
他认为这传承自詹姆斯·布朗 He think he got that from, uh... James Brown.
我说 这传承自一位牧师 I said, "Oh, that came from one of my pastors."
- 我父亲是位牧师 - 我父亲是… - My father was a minister. - My father was a...
- 我父亲是… - 我是牧师的女儿 - My father was a... - Pastor's daughter.
是不是有点老套 Isn't that cliche?
我就是这样接触到音乐的 That's how I was actually introduced to music.
我从四岁开始 I started as a four-year-old.
一直到上文法学校 All through grammar school.
你开始认识到自己的声音适合唱什么 You come up learning the part that your voice actually fits in.
没人告诉你如何学习做伴唱 Nobody tells you that's how singers learn how to do background.
哈利路亚 无上荣光 无上荣光 Hallelujah, glory, glory.
感谢主 Thank you, Lord.
上帝赐予我这样的天赋 我要利用好它 God gave me this talent and I intend to use it.
达琳·乐芙
这是我人生真正的意义 And that's what my life has really been all about,
用好我的天赋 努力走向成功 trying to make a success of the gift that I have.
达琳·乐芙是这一切的开创者 Darlene Love is the one that's the cause of all of this.
达琳·乐芙和范妮塔·詹姆斯 开花乐团 Darlene Love and Fanita James, The Blossoms.
她们是第一批进录音室的黑人伴唱歌手 They were the first black background singers working in the studios.
我们最初录唱片的时候 When we first got into recordings,
这个行业都是白人 it was totally white.
她们都是白人女孩 而且格调高雅 They were all white girls, and they were very tasteful.
她们可以做些手臂动作 They could do arm movements and they could, you know,
贝蒂·米德勒
可以靠近麦克风 get in and go... go to the microphone
离开麦克风 但也仅限于此 and come out of the microphone, but that was about it.
因为都是白人歌手 我们称他们为朗读者 Because it was white singers. We call them the readers.
如果没有面前的乐谱 They couldn't do nothing
他们就什么都不能做 without that music sitting right in their face.
大家可以看到我们进来 People would see us walk in.
他们好奇我们会怎么做 They wondered what we were doing there.
他们把乐谱交给我们 They handed us our music
我们也装作专业地接过来 and we took it like we was pros too,
好像我们真能读懂一样 like we would really read this.
随着你越来越投入 Then as you got more into the music,
观众希望伴唱歌手有足够的自由 people would want background singers that were free enough
史蒂夫·旺德
将他们的感情融入演唱 to put feeling in what they were singing.
不是说那些歌手们没有感情 Not saying that those singers back there don't have feeling
但是他们被局限在看到的乐谱上 but they were committed to what they saw on the paper.
她们的歌声非常原生态 The song that was coming from them was so raw.
艾德娜·赖特 达琳姐妹
如此的天然原生态 如此真实 That's what it... it was so raw, and so real,
你难以抗拒 that it was hard to deny it.
开花乐团是60年代最多产的和声组合之一
开花乐团
真是惊喜啊 Now this is a surprise!
这都成为历史了 This is history.
我们都有三四十年没在一起唱过歌了 None of us have sung together in 30, 40 years.
我初识她们时只有15岁 I was 15 when I first met them.
- 厉害吧 才15岁 - 这可不好笑 - Ain't that something? Fifteen. - That's not funny.
这个不好笑 That's not funny.
在你加入前 我们这全是白人 But we were really white before you got in,
- 你为我们增添了… - 美妙的歌声 - and then you added it... - We had a sweet sound.
她带来了勇气和 She brought guts and...
底层福音元素 把歌曲塑造得非常完美 that bottom gospel thing and it made it perfect.
她们占领了舞台 They made that platform theirs.
开花乐团占有了舞台 The Blossoms made it theirs,
她们一入行 加州和其他各地的制作人 and when they came in, every producer in California
都说那是他们想要的声音 and everywhere else, that's the sound they wanted.
那来自开花乐团 That was from The Blossoms.
你只需要告诉她们你的方向 All you had to do is tell them in what direction you were headed,
路·艾德勒 格莱美获奖制作人
她们就能把你送到 and they took you there.
还记得模仿白人歌手时吗 See when we had to sound white?
开花乐团可以改变声音 这点十分独特 What was unique about The Blossoms, we could change our sound.
从巴克·欧文斯到詹姆斯·布朗 我们都合作过 We worked with people from Buck Owens to James Brown.
太完美了 我们都没排练过 That was perfect, without even rehearsing.
达琳 范妮塔还有珍 她们的惊人之处在于 The amazing thing about Darlene and Fanita and Jean
她们不害怕别人与她们做同样的工作 is that they weren't afraid of anybody else that did what they did.
如果制作人要求一个特别的人选 And if that producer asked for a particular person
来完成某事 达琳会说 that could do something, Darlene would say,
"这个我不会 但我认得一个会的姑娘" "That's not what I do, but I know a girl that can do it."
所以她能进入组合 梅瑞能进入组合 And that's how she'll get in, and that's how Merry got in.
梅瑞·克雷顿
你能把收音机关了吗 Can you turn off the radio?
怎么能没有音乐呢 I mean, how could you not have music on,
摩根 这可是梅瑞·克雷顿的车 Morgan, in the Merry Clayton car?
- 我明白 - 这… - I know, right? - That's just...
这简直不是我的风格啊 That's not even logical to me.
我们希望后期添加音乐 See, it's much better for us to add the music later.
我知道 但我是说 摩根 你怎么能 I know it, but I'm just saying, Morgan, how could you...
我是女歌手 为什么不放音乐呢 How could you logically not have a diva have her music on?
我不明白 I don't get that.
梅瑞·克雷顿一直是伴唱歌手的领唱 Merry Clayton was always the lead background singer,
但她与这个团体总是有些疏离 but she was always a little set apart from that group.
比尔·麦克斯韦尔
歌手经纪人
我和梅瑞一起上暑期班 I started going to summer school with Merry,
她开始在大街上歌唱 我就觉得 and she'd start singing down the street, and I'd go like,
这姑娘唱得太棒了 "This girl is amazing."
她没有 没有隐藏的企图 She had no, uh, no hidden agendas about it.
她就说 "这就是我的工作" She just, "That's what I do."
雷·查尔斯 我父亲 Ray Charles. He was the only artist
只允许我们看他的表演 that my father would allow us to go and see,
而我会站在舞台一端用手撑着下巴 and I'd stand at the end of the stage with my hand under my chin.
我会说 "我能做到这个 I'd say, "Mm-hmm, I could do this.
我总有一天会加入瑞莱特" I'm gonna be a Raelette one day."
瑞莱特是专为雷·查尔斯提供和音的女子组合
我下定决心加入瑞莱特 I willed myself to be a Raelette.
从这一部分开始瑞莱特会参与和声 Now here are the Raelettes to help us from this portion on.
我有一天坐在家里 So I was sitting at home one day,
然后我接了个比利·普莱斯顿的电话 and I got a call from Billy Preston.
"我是比尔 你在做什么呢" "This Bill, what are you doing?"
"我在收衣服" "Putting some clothes away."
"你得先放下这件事然后过来为雷和音" "You gotta drop it and you have to come and sing for Ray."
当然 我那时候特别自大 And, of course, you know, I was totally full of myself by then.
我非常清楚 I knew the whole spectrum
怎么样唱好歌 of what you were supposed to do as a singer.
但我不知道 But I didn't know anything
怎么做一个艺人 about being an entertainer.
他说 "是的 你是领唱 He said, "Yes, you're a lead singer,
但你是和其他三位女士一起唱 but you're singing with three other ladies, Sister Merry.
所以我们要教你怎样 So we're gonna teach you how to sing
与其他三个人一起唱" with three other people."
他是那个牧师 瑞莱特是合唱团 He's the minister. The Raelettes are the choir.
他将教堂的模式用在流行音乐的表演上 He brings that same church format to playing popular music.
而他也会演唱关于性的内容 Yet he's singing about sex.
你能想象我唱过的《What'd I Say》里面 Can you imagine "What'd I Say" that I said already,
没有这个问题的答案吗 without kind of an answer to that?
他唱了一首叫《Together Again》的歌 He did a song called "Together Again."
天啊 我找不准第二部分了 Oh, Lord, I could not find the second part.
我当时听不到 I couldn't hear it.
我没有唱准音符 他用他的手指 I did not hit the note, he took his finger
在钢琴上重重敲了一下我的音 and banged out my note on the piano,
当时观众有五千人 and 5,000 people were in the audience,
五场像在麦迪逊广场花园这种地方的演出 five... huge show in Madison Square Garden somewhere.
当 当 当 当 他重重地敲这个音 Bang, bang, bang, bang. He banged out this note.
之后我再也没忘过 After that, I remembered everything.
我不会让人觉得我像个笨蛋 I was not gonna be made to look like a fool.
许多伴唱歌手只是伴唱歌手而已 A lot of background singers are just background singers.
他们不想大费周折 They don't wanna do all the
转型成为一个独唱歌手 drama that accompanies trying to be a solo artist.
其实 有意思的是 Actually, very interesting,
如果你是在说伴唱歌手 if you're talking about background singers,
因为丽萨作为独唱歌手录制专辑 because Lisa made recordings as a solo artist
她也是个出色的艺人 她非常有意思 and she's a brilliant entertainer. She's really funny.
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帕蒂·奥斯丁
她卖力歌唱 能唱一整天 Sings her butt off. Could sing alone all day long,
但并没有特地要求这样 but doesn't particularly want to.
丽萨·费舍尔
好啊 Hola.
我不想去上学 I don't wanna go to school.
我记得当我妈妈带我去幼儿园时 I remember when my mom took me to kindergarten.
我像这样告诉老师 我写了首歌 I told the teacher, it's like, "I wrote a song," right?
我想在班上唱这首歌 "I wanna sing it for the class."
她说 好啊 但我一唱就停不下来了 She's like, "Oh, yay, good." I just wouldn't stop.
她不得不打断我 She had to stop me.
然后她说 "这太有意思了" Now she's like, "That was fun."
和丽萨共事让人灵感迸发 Being with Lisa is really inspiring,
乔·劳瑞 澳大利亚歌手
因为她是个怪兽级别的音乐家 because she's a monster musician.
她只是不会特地去谈论这一点 She just doesn't really talk about it.
我是说 她真是尽善尽美 I mean, she's as good as it gets.
所有人都知道丽萨·费舍尔是谁 Everyone knew who Lisa Fischer was.
她一直都是话题人物 She was the talk of the town at the time.
克里斯·波蒂 爵士乐小号手
对我来说 亲眼看见 It was strange for me to
她站在其他两个歌手旁边是挺奇怪的 actually see her standing next to two other singers.
对我来说这很奇怪 It was weird for me.
她是一位站在前面 站在人们前面 She's an incredible artist that stands in front of that room,
并且用一种非常优雅的方式 in front of everyone, and
引起人们注意的杰出艺术家 demands their attention in a really graceful way.
我热爱旋律 I love melodies.
我 我爱上了 I'm... I'm in love with the...
声音的震颤和 the sound vibration and...
这对人们的影响 and what it does with other people.
虽然常见 却又很特别 It's familiar, but it's so special
体会过就知道有多快乐 and you're just so happy when you get there.
你会流连忘返 And you try to stay there for as long as you can.
她是那个世界的主宰 She's the empress of that world,
看起来她不是很自我 and, you know, it might not look like she's ego'd out,
但成为这样的人 but it takes a lot of ego
需要很强大的自我 to decide you're gonna take that position.
因为世界上 'Cause there's a lot of
有许多伴唱歌手 而她 background singers out there, and she's held...
她一直是最出色的 She's held that fort down for a long time.
对我来说 歌唱就是分享 For me, singing is about a sharing.
不是什么竞赛 但有时候 It's never a competition. But there's this other energy sometimes
这种无处不在的竞争要把我逼疯 that I see going on that just makes me insane, you know.
我该打给谁 Gee, who can I call to
来把我介绍给谁谁谁 诸如此类 introduce me to so and so and such and such,
但这 我不知道 but it just... I don't know,
对我来说这种东西真是太虚伪了 something about that feels slimy to me.
我不知道这是为什么 I don't know why.
对我来说 最美妙的乐音即是人声 To me, there's no more heavenly instrument than the voice.
谢莉尔·克罗 前伴唱歌手
你或许能成为出色的演奏家 You can be a great player and
演奏出真正能打动人心的音乐 you can play things that really move people,
甜蜜灵感
但声音是与生俱来的 but the voice is the one thing that we all are born with.
有那么多伟大的歌手 I mean, there's so many
他们在各种摇滚专辑里 great singers who are such a massive presence
黑莓 和声组合
出现过无数次 on so many rock records,
我们不一定知道姓名 people that we don't necessarily know their names,
却有很大的影响力 but that had a huge impact.
我记得 有一次菲尔·斯派克特的特别节目 I remember, um, yeah, there was a Phil Spector special on.
大卫·拉斯利
大概是65年的时候 Um, maybe '65-ish.
别动 切 Hold it. Cut.
达琳·乐芙和开花乐团正在唱这首歌 And Darlene Love and The Blossoms were doing this song
菲尔当时在用钢琴伴奏 that Phil was playing piano on.
我当时大概16岁吧 就像一声惊雷 And I was like 16 maybe. It just went, like, pow!
这就是我要做的事情 That's what you're gonna do.
- 开始吧 - 你好 - Here we go. - Hey.
- 你好 达琳 - 你好 罗伯特 - Hi, Darlene. - Robert.
《Christmas Baby Please Come Home》怎么样 How about, uh, "Christmas Baby Please Come Home"
罗伯·桑托斯
斯佩克特唱片再版发行监制
菲尔·斯派克特首先使用了 Phil Spector was the one that started
声墙技术 他想让所有人知道 with the Wall of Sound. He wanted everybody to know
这是菲尔·斯派克特的专场 it was a Phil Spector session,
不是达琳·乐芙或是水晶乐团的专场 not a Darlene Love session or a Crystals session.
菲尔·斯派克特是六十年代最大的音乐制作人之一
这是菲尔·斯派克特专场 It was a Phil Spector session.
听起来好年轻 确实年轻 They sound so young. Well, they are.
我当时18岁 现在70岁了 I was 18. I am now 70.
斯派克特唱片 The Spector records...
这很有意思 因为那是我们许多年以来 and it's funny, 'cause though that was a sound
一直想要抓住的声音 we tried to capture ourselves for many, many years.
布鲁斯·斯普林斯丁
而我们却没有 因为我们当时没意识到 And did not, because we didn't realize
这是清纯的声音 it was the sound of youth,
是年轻人的声音 of very young people.
而且达琳不仅有 And here Darlene not only had
不可思议的人格 the incredible personality,
还有着无所不能的歌喉 她抓住了 but she was a vocal powerhouse. She captures...
不管是什么 她抓住了那个特别的声音 Whatever it is, she captures that particular sound, you know.
是不是很棒 Amazing, isn't it?
我当时如此有才能而我一无所知 I was talented and didn't know it.
当我们开始做《He's a Rebel》时 我知道 When we went in to do "He's a Rebel" I knew it was gonna be
这是为他在纽约的一个小组做的 for a group he had in New York.
然后我去了 "这歌不可能成功的 And I went, "This song ain't gonna do nothin' no way.
我们就去一趟 拿个钱" Let's just go in, take the money."
这是我第一次做领唱 And it was my first lead voice.
达琳在很多其他人的唱片里 Darlene did a lot of ghosting for records that came out
帕蒂·奥斯汀
有过无名的演出 with other people's names on them.
水晶乐团
水晶乐团和基妮·皮特妮一起发了片 The Crystals were out on the road with Gene Pitney,
这张专辑在排行榜上一路飙升到第一位 and the record was climbing the charts, going to number one
但他们以前从未听过这歌 and they had never heard the song before.
我觉得坐在家里看你唱过的歌 It's pretty debilitating to the spirit, I think,
苏萨耶·格林
这挺不鼓舞人的 to sit at home and watch the song that you sang,
而且有其他人假唱 and there's someone else
所以没人知道是你唱的 lip-synching and no one knows that you did it.
让人伤心的是当人们在电台里听到歌 What hurt is when people hear it on the radio
他们会说 "水晶 这首歌太好听了" and they go, "Wow, The Crystals. That's a great song."
他们和我说这些的时候 不知道是我唱的 And they sitting there telling me that, not knowing I did it.
《He's A Rebel》走红之后 After the success of "He's A Rebel,"
我觉得 "好吧 that's when I said, "OK...
他知道怎么打造热门歌曲 He knows how to make hit songs,
我要和他签约" so now I need to sign with him."
他先是把我的名字达琳·赖特 First of all he changed my name from Darlene Wright
改成了达琳·乐芙 我第一张唱片 to Darlene Love, and my first record
本该是《He's Sure The Boy I Love》 was supposed to be "He's Sure The Boy I Love."
我们进了录音棚 那时已经签约了 So we go into the studio. I'm signed with him now.
所有程序都合法 我们录制了《He's Sure The Boy I Love》 Everything is legal. We record "He's Sure The Boy I Love,"
几个月之后的一天我走在街上 and I'm tootling down the street couple of months later
听到电台音乐节目主持人说 and I hear the disc jockey say,
"水晶的新唱片"时 "Well, the new record by The Crystals."
我很惊讶 "怎么是水晶乐团 他干了什么 And I'm going, "Crystals? What'd he do?
把她们请来了吗 没和我们说 Fly them in?" He didn't tell us.
不 《He's Sure The Boy I Love》 No, it was my voice on
是我唱的 我真是气愤极了 "He's Sure The Boy I Love." So I was really pissed.
一张唱片容不得两个明星 You couldn't fit two stars in the room at the same time,
所以菲尔·斯派克特把她隔离开了 so Phil Spector really kept her in a box.
她最好的作品 The best material that she was putting out
沃伦·扎恩斯 音乐历史学家
甚至不是以她的名字发表的 wasn't even coming out under her name.
这首歌火了之后你有什么想法 What did you think after this song became a hit?
气疯了 Mad.
因为这是达琳·乐芙的唱片 'Cause this was a Darlene Love record.
我听过和遇到的伴唱歌手 I'm always amazed at how many backup vocalists I've heard
大卫·里兹 音乐传记作家
总能让我大吃一惊 我听他们唱歌时就在想 and I've encountered who kill me, who I hear 'em and I think,
"你唱得和查卡·韩一样好" 这样的歌手有很多 "Man, you're as good as Chaka Khan." There's a lot of them.
你一定不相信 比方说 You won't believe it, man. Like, um...
塔塔·维嘉 她是极其出色的歌手 Tata Vega, who is an unbelievably great vocalist
与阿瑞莎难分伯仲 and is up there with Aretha.
看她唱歌的时候 I mean, and... and I'm looking at that,
我问我自己 "你在干什么" and I'm thinking to myself, "What're you doing?"
我就是爱音乐 就这样 I just loved music, is all.
我只想唱歌 It's all I wanted to do.
我16岁时决定 "我要去加州 I was 16 and I said, "I wanna go to California.
我不想上学 I don't wanna go to school.
我要当歌星" 很自私的想法 I wanna be a famous singer. " Very selfish.
塔塔·维嘉
我爸爸说 "好吧" And my dad said, "All right."
西海岸有更多的机会 You had more of a opportunity on the west coast.
格罗莉亚·琼斯
能让你崭露头角 You had exposure.
我们是在洛杉矶长大的 Us growing up here in LA...
沃特斯家族 迈克尔·杰克逊，保罗·西蒙
- 这里真是… - 好莱坞 - was really... - Hollywood always
就在大街上 right down the street.
所以我们有明显的优势 So we had serious advantage.
尤其可以结识摩城唱片公司的人 Especially with the Motown people.
- 摩城的人 - 没错 - With the Motown... - Yes.
- 真让人羡慕 - 但我记得 - Oh, my God. - But I remember
很多歌曲都要录制很长时间 too coming up, uh, we would do the long sessions
早晨才能下班回家 and we would be going home in the morning.
- 是啊 - 而人们正要上班去 - That's right. - And people would be just going to work.
天哪 斯蒂维·旺德 我的偶像 Oh, my gosh, Stevie Wonder. He was it for me.
塔塔·维嘉 天籁之音 Tata Vega, uh... incredible voice.
有人介绍我 "这位是塔塔·维嘉" Somebody introduced me, you know, "This is Tata Vega."
"很高兴见到你" 他都没停下脚步 我觉着 "Mm-hmm. Nice to meet you." And he kept going. I went,
"好吧 我得做点什么 那里有架钢琴" "OK, I gotta do something. There's a piano."
我只会弹四个和弦 The only four little teeny chords I know.
我听着这个女孩即兴表演 And I heard this girl doing all these riffs and like,
心里想 "太好听了" I said, "Oh, my God," You know.
他回来了 说 "你的风格和我很像" He came back. He said, "You sound like me."
是她吗 是同一个人吗 这感觉… Is that her? Is that the same person? It's like...
太棒了 Yeah!
我就是爱音乐 I just loved music is all.
我只想唱歌 It's all I wanted to do.
我想可以追溯到教堂里一唱一应的模式 It goes back, like I say, to the church call and response.
前面有个人 诉说上帝的恩典 There's that guy out front, testifying,
他身后教会的人员齐声赞美 and then there's sorta the community behind him, you know, amen'ing.
这种类似于和声的形式 That was sort of the backup sound
来源于福音音乐和教堂 that came straight out of gospel and the church
后来被通俗地表达出来 and was secularized.
然后这种唱法传遍了全世界 That was a sound of worldly knowledge.
伊克·特纳 我的天 伊克和蒂娜·特纳 Ike Turner, oh my goodness. Ike and Tina Turner.
我…我不敢相信 I just... I couldn't believe
克劳迪娅·勒妮儿
他问我想不想立刻开始工作 he asked me if I wanted to start working right away.
我回答说 "愿意 当然愿意" And I said, "Well, yes, of course."
但并不知道他指的是那个星期就开始工作 But little did I know he meant that week.
我认为我们是R&B音乐的首批舞蹈演员 I think we were the first action figures of R&B,
伊克特三人组 The Ikettes,
三人组和蒂娜·特纳剧 the Ike and Tina Turner Revue.
这些姑娘们轰动一时 The girls were absolutely sensational.
蒂娜有很高的天分 Tina was a force of nature, of course,
其他人的实力也不俗 but they were no slouches either.
她们的表演精彩绝伦 They were fantastic.
那时是《Peace, Love And Happiness》这张唱片 It was what, Peace, love and happiness and, you know,
女人们烧掉胸罩 妇女的解放运动 women burning their bras, you know, women's lib,
当时是以那种方式展现自我的最佳时机 and the timing was just right for that way to present yourself.
伊克·特纳把自己看成拉皮条的 Ike Turner saw himself as a pimp,
把他的伴唱歌手 甚至他老婆 and he saw his backup singers, even his wife...
托德·博伊德博士 南加州大学批评性研究教授
当成他手下卖肉的 as the women who worked for him, his hos.
他确保你有特定的外貌 He made sure that you had a certain look
特定的步态 and that you were able to walk a certain way
特定的舞姿 and dance a certain way.
现在仍然有艺人 There are still artists right now
认为伴唱歌手华而不实 that view a backup singer as eye candy.
琳恩·马布里
在我看来 那不是伴唱 Personally, that's not backup singing.
而是在扮演一个角色 That's just playing a role.
我曾与一位表演艺术家合作过 There's one artist that I've worked with.
斯蒂维·亚历山大
每当想到我 I just get chills when I
在办公室里有多么垂头丧气 think about how I just was so demoralized,
就很害怕 我们几乎没穿衣服 um, at the office. We were basically naked.
着装法则 "让男人们兴奋" Dress code: "Make guys excite."
我尽量打扮得漂亮 You know, I tried to look nice
还得尽量穿着得体 and I tried to carry myself in a decent way,
但给人留下什么样的印象呢 but how it comes across, I mean,
我真不想说 I don't set out to say,
"我将是今晚的性感偶像" "I'm going to be the sex symbol tonight."
但你为《花花公子》拍过照 But you posed in Playboy.
我的确为《花花公子》拍过照 没错 There was something in Playboy, yes, there was.
棕色甜心
英国摇滚界就是个奇迹 The English rock scene was just a... A phenomenon.
他们想唱出黑人的风格 They were trying to sound black.
大多数摇滚歌手想唱出黑人的感觉 Most all of them tried to sound black.
只有一种办法能做到这一点 And the only way they could get that sound,
就是必须让我们来唱 they had to use us to get that sound.
比如齐柏林飞艇 罗伯特·普朗特 Like Led Zeppelin, for example. Robert Plant
甚至是乔·考克 or Joe Cocker even.
很多年以前 我和雷一起表演的时候 Many years ago, when I was singing with Ray,
我看到他在舞台前面扭动着 and I saw this guy contorting in the front row of this concert.
我真是接受不了 So I'm standing like this,
我不动声色地问别的姑娘们 and I'm telling the rest of the girls through my teeth,
"这家伙是谁 他没事吧" "Who is that guy? What's wrong with him?"
但我喜欢与乔一起工作是因为 But what I loved about working with Joe
他允许我们唱出自己的特点 is that he let us be ourselves.
格罗莉亚·琼斯
华丽摇滚
在英国 他们总说 "勇敢尝试吧 In England, they were like, "Go for it.
尽情展示你自己" Give us all you have."
这就是摇滚乐能够创新的原因 That... it was the reason for the innovation of rock and roll.
他让我们随意发挥 He gave us free rein,
大家都乐开花了 and everybody's face would light up, you know.
有的人即兴唱起来 And somebody would start singing something,
或者即兴弹点什么 or someone would start playing something
然后所有人就… and everybody just...
那天我在A&M唱片公司 And then when I got to A&M,
从路办公室走下楼 I was coming down the stairs from Lou's office.
乔从前门走过来说了句话改变了我的命运 Joe was coming on the lot from that front gate and he said,
"她在这儿呢" "There she bloody is."
他说 "我的每张唱片都要有你参与" He said, "I want you to work on all of my records."
你随时都能在 At any moment, you would see
走廊里看到詹姆斯·泰勒 James Taylor coming down the hallway,
或者看到卡罗尔走出来 or you'd see Carole coming out,
说道 "和我一起唱吧" saying, "Come sing with me."
亲爱的 这里就是我的另一个家 Let me in, honey, to my other home.
多么好的录音室 What a great studio.
小子 我们可以在这呆会吧 Boy, did we have some times in this studio.
那天已经是深夜了 So it was like very late at night and I was very,
我刚刚怀孕 you know, a little pregnant.
戴着卷发夹那堆东西 Had curlers and the whole thing in my hair,
准备睡觉 我们接到一个电话 getting ready to go to bed. And we got a call
"梅瑞 来了一群人叫滚… "Merry, there's a group of guys in town called Rolling...
叫滚什么的 从英国来的 The Rolling somebodies and they're from England,
他们想找个伴唱" and they need somebody that will sing with them."
他们把我接走时 我还穿着丝绸睡衣 They picked me up with silk pajamas on,
裹着貂皮大衣 头戴香奈儿的围巾 a mink coat, and a Chanel scarf on my head.
我们在说 "如果这段强暴 谋杀的歌词" We said, "It'd be wonderful if a woman sang this part about,
"由女声来呈现就更好了" that I'd written about rape, murder and all this.
那是在午夜时分 我们在想 It was in the middle of the night and we thought,
米克·贾格尔
"我们很希望女歌手来唱这部分" "Well, we would love to have a woman sing this part."
我是通过亚当介绍才知道她的 I didn't know her from Adam.
她戴着卷发器就来了 Then she turned up in her curlers.
她已经睡觉又爬起来了 She was in bed and she got outta bed.
但你也知道 那段歌词是很狂野的 And, you know, it was a kind of raunchy part to sing.
我说 "什么" I said, "What?
"强暴 谋杀 只差一杯酒" Rape, murder? It's just a shot away?"
我就开始唱 "只差一杯酒" I started to sing: "It's just a shot away,
"只差一杯酒" 和米克一起唱 just a shot away" With Mick.
她和我一起唱这句歌词 She sings the lyrics right along me,
歌声很有个性 and with a lot of personality,
而这正是我们需要的 which is what was needed.
我最欣赏的是她会唱歌 能享乐其中 What I liked was that she could sing. She was able to be merry.
她不必刻意克制自己 She didn't have to bring it down.
他说 "你想试试别的唱法吗" He said, "You wanna do another one?"
我说 "好啊 再换一种呗" I said, "Sure, I'll do another one."
她就这么唱出来了 一次又一次 I mean, she just did it, like, couple of times, you know.
我心里想 "好吧 我再唱一次" So I said to myself, "Mm-hmm, I'm gonna do another
"把他们震到九霄云外" and I'm gonna blow them outta this room."
我又唱了一遍 就在那句之后 I went in again and I did that pass on the part that says,
我又升了一个八度 So I had to go up another octave.
要知道录音这些都是在 You know, you do these things
差不多凌晨两点完成的 at sort of two in the morning,
隔天一来你才意识到 and then you come in the next day and you go,
"天呐 太赞了" "Bloody hell, that's good."
赞 我没听到掌声呢 Yeah. I don't hear a hand clap.
每个人都告诉我 "你要缄默不言" Everybody just tells me, "You have to bring everything down."
然而摇滚音乐兴起 告诉我们 So when the rock and roll world came and said,
"不 我们要你歌唱" 这拯救了我们 "No, we want you to sing," It saved us.
救了我们 救了我们的命 It saved us. Saved our lives.
丽萨 咱们试试 再走一遍 Lisa, let's practice that. Lisa, let's do that.
试试… 尾声的部分 Let's just... just do the coda.
维妮 从尾声开始 So Vinnie, from the coda.
只有尾声 Just the coda.
在录《The Hounds of Winter》的时候 During "The Hounds of Winter," I just indicated to Lisa
斯 汀
我告诉丽萨 希望她用声音来营造 that she should, you know, vocalize and do something
表达出那种孤独的感觉 to evoke the spirit of loneliness or whatever.
就有了这样的声音 令人赞叹 And out comes this voice, you know, amazing,
超凡脱俗 无比空灵的声音 extraordinary, ghostly voice.
所以每次她和我一起演出的时候 So every time she's performed that with me,
我都请她唱上一段 I've asked her to do that.
丽萨 你还以再发挥一些 Lisa, give... you can give me more than that.
真的吗 好的 Really? OK.
这样我也能跟着一起玩 Give me something to play with.
把你揉进这首歌里 Let me reel you in.
我的乐队让我非常骄傲 And I'm also intensely proud of my band.
我最大的荣幸就是 My greatest pleasure is to
退后一步 让他们尽情发挥 stand back and let them do what they can do.
乐队在演奏《The Hounds of Winter》的时候 And they kick into this song called "The Hounds of Winter,"
开始即兴发挥 and they go to this out vamp.
克里斯·博蒂
爵士小号手
斯汀觉得无妨 他说 "好吧 来" And Sting was cool enough to say, "All right, go.
"灯光给她 让她放开了唱" Put a spotlight on her and just turn her loose."
丽萨·费舍尔 Lisa Fischer.
那是实力唱将的歌声 你知道吗 That's a powerhouse voice, you know, and...
我把她视作明星 I think of her as a star.
她是个明星 She's a star.
她让自己完全沉浸在音乐中 She puts her whole self into it and then
乔·劳瑞 英国摇滚歌手
带来了超然绝美的歌声 there's just something totally transcendent that happens.
宛如一片羽毛 You're a little feather,
轻轻一吹 乘风而起 and somebody just said... and you just go.
一直飞着 永不坠落 You just go and you never fall.
不会重重摔下 总是轻盈落地 You never hit your head. You just kinda land.
我就是这么唱歌的 That's what it feels like to me.
人的声音是来自一个人 The human voice is the most pure expression
最为纯粹的表达 coming from your own being.
只关乎你的灵魂 能力 身体 There's nothing between your
和任何人都不相同 soul and your ability and your body and them.
它不经小号 萨克斯或者吉他的遮掩 It's not being camouflaged by a trumpet or a saxophone or guitar.
比尔·麦克斯韦尔 歌手经纪人
人声是纯净的 所以他们才如此敏感 It's pure, and that's why they're so sensitive about it,
因为他们交付了灵魂 because they're putting it out there.
家里比较乱 抱歉 Everything's a mess. Sorry.
一切都乱糟糟的 一团糟 Uh... everything's a mess. It's just a mess.
这些经典的老唱片我还没收拾 Uh, these are old gold albums I haven't put up yet. Um...
这些是蒂娜·特纳 That's something from
巡演的时候送给我的 Tina Turner's tour that was a gift from her.
这是我超爱的卢瑟·范德罗斯的海报 This is, um, an old poster of Luther Vandross that I love.
那次巡演之后我就遇到他了 I met him right after that tour.
那时我去找他试镜 我走进屋子 When I auditioned for him, I walk into the room
他就坐在钢琴前 就有个盒子 and he's sitting around the piano and there's this, um,
里面装了炸鸡 container with some fried chicken in it.
我实在忍不住笑 直接大叫 "耶" I had to giggle. I was just like, "Yeah!"
他就说 And he goes...
"唱这个给我听" "Sing this for me."
我就唱给他听 And I would sing something to him.
他说 "好 现在请你加一些气声" He's like, "OK, now can you give that to me with more air?"
我想 "气声吗" 我就说 "好嘞" And that was like, "More air?" I was like, "OK."
因为没有人 'Cause, you know, nobody
会谈到这样的细节 was talking about those subtleties, you know.
他有很多技巧是关于呼吸和气息的 A lot of his approach was breath and air.
有时候只是音符的细节 比如 "No turning back" Sometimes the finesse of a note, like... No turning back
大卫·拉斯利 詹姆斯·泰勒，邦尼·雷特
你如何来给音符做结尾 "Back" Like, the way you got off a note... Back
一 二 One, two...
我唱的跟昨天 I sounded just like that
预演的时候一模一样 yesterday when I was understudying the note.
他确实是 He really did.
你明白我意思吧 我达到一定高度了 You know what I'm saying? I was up there.
- 他升华了 - 跟约翰·格伦一起 - He was up there. - It was me and John Glenn.
唱完之后他说 "好吧" After we were done singing, he says, "Well, " He says,
"如果你还会跳舞 这个演出你就能上" "If you can dance, you've got this gig."
我当时就 "耶" 转念一想 "不是吧…" And I was like, "Yay!" And then I was like, "Uh-oh."
稍等 我肢体不协调 Wait a minute. Oh, I've got two left feet.
他懂得把所有的天赋调动起来 He knew how to pull each gift together
完美地组合成… 一件珍宝 and make this beautiful... piece of jewelry.
当我还是个孩子的时候 会去买 You know, when I was a kid buying records
谢莉尔合唱团 阿瑞莎·富兰克林 迪昂·沃维克的唱片 by The Shirelles, by Aretha Franklin, by Dionne Warwick,
最先吸引到我的 one of the first things that appealed to me
就是和声 这也一直伴随着我 were the background vocals, and that remained with me.
卢瑟在纽约做伴唱 还录一些广告歌曲 Luther was a background singer and a jingle singer in New York.
夏洛特·克罗斯利 路德·范德鲁斯
那时候卢瑟还很胖 Back in those days, Luther was very heavy
总是穿着西装三件套 汗流浃背 and wore three-piece suits, sweating like a pig,
歌声却宛如天籁 singing like an angel.
当我第一次见到卢瑟·范德罗斯 Luther Vandross, when I first met Luther Vandross,
是我去费城的时候 大卫·鲍威 I went down to Philadelphia, David Bowie...
大卫·鲍威邀请我去 那是1973年 David Bowie invited me down, 1973, to hear...
去听他录《Young Americans》 He was recording "Young Americans."
当时我刚发行了唱片 他翻唱了几首 And I had one record out and he cut a couple of my songs,
我特别激动 and so I was tremendously excited
坐着巴士去了费城 and I took the bus to Philadelphia.
进到录音棚见到了大卫和乐队 And I went in the studio and I met David and I met the band.
卢瑟·范德罗斯是其中一位伴唱歌手 And Luther Vandross was one of the backup singers
在大卫·鲍威的《Young Americans》乐队里 in David... David Bowie's Young Americans band.
天呐 我得试试这个 My God, I can trot on that.
很好 很好 下一句 That's cool. That's cool. OK, next one.
得这样才能… 一 二 Gotta do it this way to get it... One, two...
这可是《Young Americans》 无与伦比 Well, it was "Young Americans", it was just fabulous, you know.
这是大卫·鲍威的灵魂乐专辑 And it was David Bowie's soul record, in that sense,
他希望那些扎根于教堂的声音 and he called on those voices
能为他的专辑带来真正的灵魂乐 that were rooted in the church to bring that in,
他们也带来了真正的灵魂乐 席卷而来 because they bring a world with them, a world with them.
我相信随着音乐的发展 I believe that, you know, the role of the backup singer
琳恩·马布里 疯克德里克乐队
伴唱的作用也在发展 evolves as music evolves.
70年代的音乐更加复杂 Music was becoming more complicated and richer
更为丰富而有趣 and more interesting in the '70s,
伴唱也更为复杂精致了 and so the backgrounds became more sophisticated.
不仅是歌声 是完整的音乐 It just became more than vocals. It was the music.
辛迪·米泽尔 布鲁斯·斯普林斯汀,裸体午餐爵士摇滚乐队
你会发现自己哼的歌 And you find yourself singing
由伴唱演唱的部分 what the background singers sang,
几乎和主唱一样多 as much as what the lead singer sang.
当你回想流行音乐的历史 You know, when you think about the history of pop music
所有那些大家广为传唱的副歌 and all the memorable hooks that people sing along with,
珍妮丝·彭达维斯
一般他们都是跟我们一起唱 they're singing with us most of the time,
因为我们就是这样录制唱片的 because that's what we do on records.
我们与巨星合唱 We come in and sing the hooks.
孟加拉慈善演唱会，1971年
那场表演堪称盛大空前 That show was just something that was cosmic.
你亲身经历过了 If you were there to experience it,
肯定终生难忘 it will be something you'll take to the grave.
克劳迪娅·勒妮儿
乔治·哈里森
克劳迪娅·勒妮儿参加了那次演唱会 Claudia Lennear had that exposure,
她的下一个里程碑是 and then the next big moment
与滚石乐队的合作 came for her with, um, The Rolling Stones.
克劳迪娅·勒妮儿在三人组里 And Claudia Lennear, she was like the really hot one of the...
非常显眼 of the Ikettes, you know.
她是个出色的舞者 热情而美丽 She was a really great dancer, very hot, beautiful girl.
在当时的和声界 有些年轻姑娘 There were a few young ladies in the background world
很想尽快勾搭上主唱 who were trying to get to the leading men as quickly as possible.
我和米克有过一段很特殊的关系 You know, Mick and I had a very special relationship,
我们在一起很开心 and we used to have so much fun.
就算干蠢事也觉得好开心 We used to have so much fun, just doing silly things,
穿对方的衣服这种疯狂又古怪的事儿 dressing in each other's clothes. Just crazy, wacky stuff.
米克是坏小子形象 You know, Mick has his bad boy image
大卫看起来亦男亦女 and David had his androgynous look,
但重要的是 他们其实都很可爱 but first and foremost, they were just all really sweet.
不管怎样 那些日子她一定很享受 Well, anyway, she must have enjoyed those times,
因为她活出了真我 because she looked like she was.
那是个风云变幻的年代 At that particular time, there was so much going on in the world,
民权运动崛起 还有越战 with the Civil Rights Movement and the war.
尽管政治局势动荡不安 Though there was so much politically going on,
苏萨耶·格林
但很多时候你是与世隔绝的 you know, you're pretty insulated from it a lot of times
只有出了门 and you only really find it out
你才能感受到那些东西 when you get out there on the road,
待在公共场合 与人交谈 the places that you stay, the people that you talk to.
你才能看到真实的政治文化情况 You're able to see the actual politics and the culture,
了解这个国家在发生着什么事情 you know, what's going on in the culture.
很怪异 音乐界一派繁荣 但整个时代是伤感的 It was weird. It was happy, musically, but it was a sad time.
一 二 三 One, two, three.
大声点 Turn it up.
老 调 重 弹
我记得是克莱蒂·金叫我去唱这首歌的 I think Clydie King called me for that session.
她说 "有个叫林纳德·斯金纳德的人" She said, "There's this guy. His name is Lynyrd Skynyrd."
我说"是吗" 她说"对啊 他想唱一首歌 I said, "Really?" She said, "Yes, and he wants to do this song
叫做《甜蜜的家 阿》 " 我说" 阿拉巴马吗 called 'Sweet Home A...'? I said, "Alabama?
亲爱的 没有人想唱关于阿拉巴马的歌" Honey, nobody wants to sing anything about Alabama."
我绝对不想唱关于阿拉巴马的歌 I certainly didn't wanna sing anything about Alabama.
黑人权利开启了人们 It was a moment when this idea of black power
自主定义自身的新时代 had a lot to do with people defining themselves
而不是依靠白人先入为主的观点 based on their own ideas, as opposed to white overseer's view
来约束自己的行为 of how one should behave.
托德·博伊德博士 南加州大学批评性研究教授
我们才不管是否会 We don't give a fuck about whether or not
触犯到白人 我们就做自己想做的事 white people are offended. We're gonna do our thing.
我丈夫比我大19岁 My husband was 19 years older than I was.
他说 "你必须要唱《甜蜜的家 阿拉巴马》" He said, "Oh, you need to sing 'Sweet Home Alabama'."
我问"为什么" 他说"你以后会明白的" I said, "Well, why?" He says, "You'll understand later in life."
他说"现在你还无法理解 梅瑞 你太年轻 He said, "Right now, you don't understand, Merry. You're young.
不会明白的" You don't... you don't really understand."
那就是我们所做的事 所生活的环境 That's what we were doing, we were living.
每一个瞬间都洋溢着浓烈的情感 We were living the moment, living that emotion, creating.
就像在抽自己巴掌一样 It was basically like a slap in the face.
啊哈 甜蜜的家 阿拉巴马 A-ha, sweet home Alabama.
我们就住在甜蜜的家 阿拉巴马 We got your sweet home Alabama.
但我们还是要唱给你听 But we gonna sing you anyway,
让你听得屁滚尿流 and we're gonna sing the crap out of you.
黑人
新非裔美国人
解放 前线
如果有机会的话 If given the opportunity,
我们会向所有合理的质疑证明我们的价值 we will demonstrate our value beyond any reasonable doubt,
以至于在此之后 当你想给歌声下定义 so much so that going forward, when you start to define singing,
就必须建立在这些伴唱歌手的 it's going to be based on this transformative sound
变革性的声音基础之上 coming out of these backup singers' mouths.
在黑人维权斗争方面 My way of being an activist in our struggle
我积极参与的方式就是 as a black people was to do
唱歌 the music.
最后一句 It's the last line.
沃特斯家族 迈克尔·杰克逊，保罗·西蒙
致 茱莉亚 我永远 爱你
你能够想到的任何一首歌都需要和声 Any song that you can name with background on it,
或是我跟其他女士唱和声 either I was doing it with a bunch of girls,
或是沃特斯一家来唱 or either the Waters were doing it.
我们在录音室碰面 总是心想 We always went in the studio with,
"上帝啊 我们要唱这首歌了" "God, we're on this song."
我们一直是倾尽全力 把它当自己的歌 And we would always do our very best, like it was ours.
- 帕蒂·拉贝尔 - 帕蒂·拉贝尔 - Patti LaBelle. - Patti LaBelle.
- 《You Are My Friend》 - 《You Are My Friend》 - "You Are My Friend." - "You Are My Friend."
《Bad Girls》专辑 The Bad Girls album.
那时我们才真正赚到大钱 That's when we really cleaned up.
- 惠特尼·休斯顿 - 惠特尼·休斯顿 - Whitney Houston. - Whitney Houston,
《The Greatest Love of All》 "The Greatest Love of All."
- 很多唱片 - 迪士尼动画片 - All those LPs. - The Disney characters.
- 对 - 我们也唱了 - Yes. - That's us on there,
《Small World》 the "Small World", You know.
- 你听过的那些歌 - 《狮子王》 - You hear all that singing. - Lion King.
《成长的烦恼》 Growing Pains.
世界历史上销量最高的专辑 The biggest selling record
迈克尔·杰克逊的《Thriller》 in the history of records, Michael Jackson's Thriller.
以及最卖座的电影《阿凡达》 And the biggest selling movie, Avatar.
鸟叫什么的 It's some bird sounds and things like that.
就是这样的 Stuff like that,
你知道的 各种声音 you know, different things...
但是 做这些和声和配音 But doing this kinda just took us away
也就没时间去做我们自己的专辑了 from doing our own records, you know,
过去我们做的那些事情 and stuff like that, which we used to do.
唱歌 也就是嗯嗯啊啊 Singing, you know, oohs and aahs and...
唱一会儿还觉得挺有趣 It's kinda fun for a minute. Uh...
但以唱歌为生就不一定了 I'm not sure if I'd like to do it for a living.
达琳·乐芙在开花乐团组合中 与汤姆·琼斯同台，1971年
菲尔·斯派克特的名气渐渐大起来 Phil Spector's name started getting big,
我的名气也是 my name started getting big,
因为布鲁斯和埃尔顿·约翰这样的摇滚音乐人 because the rock and roll people like Bruce and Elton John
还有斯蒂维 他们想知道那个女歌手是谁 and Stevie wanted to know who that girl singer was.
她无疑就是块当主唱的料 I mean, she without question, is a lead singer.
你会开始注意那个声音 You started to pick up that voice
并且只被那个声音吸引 and you began to have an allegiance to that voice.
那使我更加渴望一个人的舞台 That made me wanna be out
去做一名独唱歌手 there by myself even more as a solo artist.
我意识到我得离开组合 才能变成独唱歌手 I saw then I'd have to leave that group to become a solo singer.
唱和声对我来说 Singing background, to me,
就像是为我要做的事业进行彩排 it was like a rehearsal for what I was gonna do for my project.
我想像梅瑞·克雷顿那样唱歌 I wanted to sing as Merry Clayton,
面对无数观众 我想把我的声音呈现给观众 to the masses. I wanted to get my stuff out to the masses,
于是上帝派给我 路·艾德勒 and God sent me Lou Adler.
路·艾德勒 制作人 格莱美奖获得者
梅瑞一直想成为独唱歌手 成为明星 Merry consciously wanted to be a solo artist and a star.
无论何时 只要梅瑞出现 Whenever Merry appeared,
都会引来人们的起立欢呼 standing ovations.
就好像他们从来没有 I mean, it's as if they
见过或听过这样的表演 never had seen or heard someone like that.
我自己的事业 一定要做得出色 让人记住 When it came to my project, I was gonna kick ass and take names.
她出了三张非常棒的专辑 She made three really good albums.
张张都足以媲美阿瑞莎·富兰克林这样的巨星 They all sound like somebody that's as big as Aretha Franklin.
我觉得路帮了我的大忙 I think Lou did a great job
A&M也很积极地宣传我的唱片 and A&M did a great job promoting my records here.
你要成为第一 就必须有奋不顾身的精神 I think you do, number one, have to have that kill spirit,
内心要有真正的渴求 to really want it.
梅瑞·克雷顿有那种精神 Now, Merry Clayton got the kill spirit.
我也不知道为什么她没成为超级明星 I don't know why she wasn't a superstar.
我们尽了一切努力 却还是没有成效 We did everything possible, and it just didn't take.
整个产业是受人控制的 The industry, it was controlled.
还有些陈规 毕竟她曾是福音歌手 There were rules. She was a gospel singer.
阿瑞莎只有一个 There's only one Aretha.
这就是那个年代人们的看法 You know, and that's the way they felt in those days.
只能是阿瑞莎 或只能是戴安娜·罗斯 It could only be Aretha. Only could be Diana Ross.
是的 我一度很沮丧 Yes, I became frustrated at one time,
"混账 我的专辑只能这样了吗" said, "Damn, the record didn't go any further than this?
我们哪里做错了 What're we doing wrong?"
我以为 只要我全身心地投入我的事业 I felt like if I just gave my heart to what I was doing,
我自然会成为明星 I would automatically be a star.
我认为 和声与主唱之间的 I think what happens with the whole issue of background
主要不同在于 versus lead singing is, you know,
他们获得的发展资源 the material that you're given
以及与制作人的合作方式 and how you work with producers.
70年代中期 达琳·乐芙终于不再 In the mid '70s, Darlene Love is finally freed
沃伦·扎恩斯 音乐历史学家
被人拿来与菲尔·斯派克特作比较 from her contract with Phil Spector.
我与Gamble&Huff签了约 I had signed with Gamble and Huff.
他们是当时炙手可热的人物 Who were, at that time, the hottest thing out there.
我以为我的职业生涯要真正开始了 And I say, "OK, here's my career. It's gonna really go now."
可惜事与愿违 And, uh, there was another door I ran into.
仅仅几周后 Within weeks,
他们又将她的合约卖回给了菲尔·斯派克特 they sell her contract back to Phil Spector
噩梦仍在继续 and the nightmare continues.
这是全新的菲尔·斯派克特 This was the new Phil Spector.
他成了披头士的制作人 He did the Beatles thing and,
成了一个巨星 you know, he was a big star,
现在他对我更加不屑一顾了 so now he's gonna act like a big star in front of this little star, Darlene Love,
我受不了了 and I wasn't having it.
这一切都糟透了 It got to be so bad, I just said,
我对自己说 "我受够了" "You know what? I've had it." that's what I said to myself.
我摘下耳机 放在椅子上 Took the earphones off my ears, put 'em in the chair
拿起大衣穿好 然后走出了录音室 picked up my coat, put it on and walked out the studio.
自那以后二十多年我都没再见过菲尔·斯派克特 I didn't see Phil Spector no more for over 20 years.
当时许多从事音乐行业的歌手 Many of these singers came out of the music business at a time
他们的成功取决于作曲人 when the singer depended on a songwriter,
他们知道如何突出歌手的声音特点 somebody who knew how to feature their voice,
知道如何编出脍炙人口的曲子 somebody who knew how to create a hit arrangement.
成功取决于很多因素 Those are a lot of things to be dependent upon, you know.
我认识很多拥有好嗓子的人 And I know so many people with incredible voices,
但如果你找不到伯乐 but if you don't find someone who understands who you are,
你可能会成为出色的歌手 但没法… you can be a great singer and just not... and that...
没法让自己的演艺事业更上一层楼 just not make that next step, you know. There's...
这个国家从不缺有才华的人 I mean, the country's filled with them, you know.
娱乐圈没有铁饭碗 There's no guarantees in entertainment.
没有铁饭碗 There's no... no guarantees.
我有好几次单飞的机会 I had been offered the chance to go solo several times,
但我最终还是选择了华纳兄弟 and then ultimately, I ended up with Warner Brothers.
录音室棒极了 The studio was smoking.
真的很赞 It was just... and it was just amazing.
真的很赞 It was just amazing and...
唱片卖得怎么样 And how was the record received?
并不理想 Mm... not that well.
如果你登上了唱片封面 If you are out there and your name is on that doggone marquee,
压力就全落在了你身上 the pressure is on 'em,
这种压力有时候 and sometimes that can... that can cause, uh,
会要了人的命 problems in a person's life.
我签过一份歌手的合同 I had a contract as a solo artist
可我被雪藏了 and then I was kept on, but shelved.
塔塔·维嘉 紫 色
我签约了Motown 可合同形同虚设 So I was on Motown, but not.
这并不容易 And it hasn't been easy.
要处理很多人际关系 You know, there's stuff that goes on with people.
我要养活女儿 要支撑乐队 I had a daughter to raise. I had a band to support.
这简直让我抓狂 I mean, it just got crazy.
在台上享受观众欢呼的感觉虽好 The kind of feeling that you get from people screaming in the audience,
可如果你总是追求这些东西 你会崩溃的 if you're always looking for that in life, you're gonna crash.
你关注的重点不再是音乐了 The focus wasn't on music anymore.
我不得不把女儿寄养在我哥哥家 I had to send my daughter to live with my brother and his kids,
而我要努力赚钱养家 while I was trying to scrape things together to pay the gas bill.
我记得她出过一张唱片 I remember her putting out a record,
可我听过之后 but then I looked up and then...
发现那不再是曾经的克劳迪娅了 I didn't see Claudia anymore.
她说 "谢谢 晚安" She said thank you and goodnight, that's what she said.
我以为人们会蜂拥而来跟我签约 I thought people would be banging down my door for deals,
但事情并非如此 and it didn't happen like that.
"你太胖了 你太老了" "You're too fat. You're too old.
"你应该认真考虑一下转行" You know, you should seriously think about another career."
那之后真是如堕地狱 And after that, it's hell.
我认为如果我当时成功了 I think if I had "Made" It,
真的名利双收 like what the world... millions of dollars, all that,
我可能不会像现在一样 I probably wouldn't be sitting in this chair
坐在这儿跟你聊天 talking to you right now,
可能不知道在什么地方嗑药呢 'cause I would have OD'd somewhere.
这不是公平竞争 It's not a level playing field.
这从来不是公平竞争 It never is a level playing field,
你一生下来就明白这点 and you come into life understanding that.
这无关公平 It's not about fairness.
也无关天分 It's not really about talent, you know.
这是境遇 是运气 是命运 It's... circumstance, it's luck. It's destiny.
我不知道它是什么 I don't know what it is,
唯有强者方能驾驭它 but the best people deal with that.
朱迪斯·希尔
与迈克尔共事真的鼓舞了我 Working with Michael really did inspire me,
那段经历告诉我 可以拥有梦想 and saying like, "Wow, it's OK to dream this big.
可以去努力实现梦想 It's OK to realize your dreams."
她的经历在伴唱歌手中 She's representational of what's happening
极具代表性 with background singers at this point.
我知道她渴望成为一名独唱歌手 I know she aspires to be a solo artist, though.
最后一场巡演 This last tour,
我听在迈克尔身边的朋友说 I heard from other friends that were with
他很欣赏她 that he just loved her
她理所当然地得到了那份工作 and, of course, she got the job.
我们为他也为自己高兴 You know, we were so excited for him and for us to be
能够一起参与这次演出 able to do this show, and it was coming together.
我不能唱 但是你可以 I can't do that. But you're fine to do it.
我得保护嗓子 I gotta save my voice.
后来的事出乎所有人的意料 And then all of a sudden,
我们正在彩排的路上 we're on our way to rehearsal
传来了噩耗 我心想 and we get the news and it's like,
"你在开玩笑吧 这怎么可能" "You gotta be kidding me. Like, how's that even possible?"
这真的是晴天霹雳 It's such an overwhelming shock just to go from
我们正在准备这场盛大的演出 almost on our way to this huge show,
突然之间 他就去世了 to all of a sudden, he's gone.
悼念仪式上我一直在哭 I was crying throughout the service
我其实不太想唱歌 and I wasn't really emotionally in a place to sing,
但这对我来说并不陌生 but, actually, it wasn't too unfamiliar to me,
因为那种肃穆的感觉 because that kind of feeling and that reverence
深深怀念 迈克尔·杰克逊 流行音乐之王
让我想起教堂的礼拜 reminded me a lot of church service,
这就是我当时的感觉 so that's how I felt when I was there.
但我并没意识到 But, you know, I didn't really realize at the time
当时有上亿人在收看直播 billions of people were watching it.
一颗新星诞生了 And a star is born.
朱迪斯 感谢你参加我们的节目 Judith, thank you so much for joining us.
二十四小时前 Just 24 hours ago,
你演唱了迈克尔最著名的一首歌 I think you were brought to the world's attention
吸引了世界的目光 by doing one of Michael's most famous songs ever.
你看到的… Well, what you saw...
做伴唱歌手是 When you're a background singer,
你歌手生涯的跳板 it is a springboard in the beginning,
但你也很容易深陷其中无法脱身 but it can easily become quicksand
尽管这不是你想做的事情 if that's not what you wanna do.
与迈克尔·杰克逊合作以后 Ever since the Michael Jackson experience,
我推掉了几乎所有的伴唱演出 I've turned down almost every background singing gig,
因为我知道如果我继续做伴唱 because I knew that if I kept doing it,
那成为歌手的梦想将更难实现 then becoming an artist would become more difficult.
我认为应该让全世界都听到她的声音 I think the world needs to hear her
我不想让她继续做伴唱 and I didn't want her to go the way of background singing.
我为埃尔顿找了几个姑娘参加巡演 I put together the girls for Elton to go on tour
但他们想要朱迪斯 and they wanted Judith.
埃尔顿很喜欢朱迪斯 Elton loves Judith,
但我认为她必须做出决定 but I think she had to make a decision,
"我真想成为歌手吗" "Do I really wanna be a solo artist?"
她正在为之努力 因为她开始写歌 And she's trying to do it, because she writes songs.
在音乐产业里 尤其是非裔歌手 We in the music industry, especially African American people,
必须了解自己的价值 need to know our worth.
梅布尔·约翰博士
雷查尔斯
我们必须明白 作为女人 我们很重要 We need to know, as women, we're important.
我所理解的失败 And I think the breakdown is
是一个女人不明白自己的价值 安于现状 when a woman doesn't know who she is and she settle for less.
搞清楚你的价值 Check out your worth,
因为它远远不止于此 because you're worth more than that.
我睡不着 I couldn't sleep.
我当时非常抑郁 I was getting in such a depressed state,
我打电话给我父母 I called my mother and father, asked them
问他们能否照顾我的孩子们 if they would take care of my kids.
那段日子最让我开心的 And the most enjoyment I got back in those days
是在教堂唱歌 was singing in church.
实际上那段日子 That's the only place that
我只在教堂唱过歌 I was actually singing during those times.
我能想到的 Only thing I thought I
唯一一个赚钱谋生的手段 could do and make a little money to survive,
是去打扫卫生 you know, I started cleaning houses.
不会是伟大的达琳·乐芙 Not the great Darlene Love.
她才不会去做家政 She's not doing... cleaning houses.
我说 "是的 就是她" I said, "Yes, the great Darlene Love is.
"她在打扫房子" She is cleaning houses."
一个圣诞节 One particular Christmas,
我正在打扫一位女士的浴室 I was cleaning this lady's bathroom.
我听到了《Christmas (baby please come home)》 And "Christmas (baby please come home)",
收音机里播放了我的圣诞节唱片 my Christmas record, came on the radio
而当时我正在打扫浴室 while I was cleaning this bathroom.
我抬起头 对自己说 "好吧 达琳" And I just looked up and just said, "OK, all right, Darlene,
"你不应该埋没在这儿" this is not where you're supposed to be.
"你应该去唱歌" You're supposed to be singing.
"整个世界都想听到你的歌声" There's a whole world out there who wants to hear you sing."
那之后 我从加州搬到纽约 And then the move from California to New York,
我的事业终于腾飞 my career just took off.
很高兴你来参加节目 一切都好吗 Nice to have you here. Everything OK with you?
- 好极了 - 谢谢你的光临 - Wonderful. - Thanks for being here.
- 欢迎你明年再来唱歌 - 一定 - Come and sing it next year. - Of course.
祝你假期愉快 I hope you have a good holiday.
我必须为将来做打算 我必须做些兼职 I have to plan what I'm going to do. I have to take a little job.
那混蛋抓了我女儿 The bastards got my daughter.
“致命武器”，1987年
只有这样才能混个脸熟 Just so you can keep your name out there.
如果不接这些工作 没人会知道 But if I didn't do those jobs, then nobody would really know
达琳·乐芙是谁 who Darlene Love was.
我年轻时以为人人都能唱歌 As a young person, I thought everybody could sing.
当你年纪越来越大 你会意识到 When you start getting older, then you realize,
每个人都不相同 你拥有的是天赐的礼物 everyone is not the same, that these are gifts,
你要将它与全世界分享 and you have to share and go out into the world.
这是我和我女朋友拍的 Oh, my girlfriend and I took these.
这里本来应该拉上的 你看拉链坏了 It was supposed to be closed. You see the zipper is broken.
我发誓它一开始是拉上的 I swear it was closed. It started out closed.
在这儿呢 我的格莱美奖杯 Here, yes. It's my Grammy.
我就把它们摆在这儿 I just kinda keep 'em here.
我不知道该拿它怎么办 I don't know what to do with it.
- 你看起来美极了 - 谢谢 - You're looking fantastic. - Thank you.
- 我要讲个故事 - 好啊 - I've gotta tell this story. - OK.
我第一次见到你 我见到丽萨 The first time I met you, I met Lisa,
是你为我的唱片伴唱 was you were singing background on my record.
- 没错 - 《I Know How To Make You》 没错 - Yes... - "I Know How To Make You," that's right.
没错 没错 我得说 That's right, that's right. And I have to tell you,
圈里人都知道丽萨·费舍尔 I mean, everyone in the industry knows Lisa Fischer.
我没有刻意去找唱片合约 I wasn't deep in search of a record deal.
算是努力终于有了收获吧 It was just one of those things that just blossomed,
我真的非常幸运 you know, and I was really fortunate.
我就 我觉得她是我从未见过的 I just... I think she is a freak of nature
天生的奇才 that I've never seen before.
获得格莱美奖的是 And the Grammy goes to...
丽萨·费舍尔的《How Can I Ease the Pain》 Lisa Fischer, "How Can I Ease the Pain?"
我必须感谢卢瑟·范德罗斯 I have to thank Luther Vandross.
这是最重要的事 That's the first thing I have to do.
没有他 就不可能有我的现在 Without him, none of this would have been possible for me.
她拥有了格莱美奖 She has her own Grammy.
她拥有与埃莱克特拉唱片公司的合同 She has her own recording contract with Elektra Records.
当你是伴唱歌手是非常不同的 It's different when you're singing background for someone,
因为你非常希望他们开心 you know, because you're so into making them happy,
要保证他们得到想要的 making sure that they have what they need.
但是一旦你自己去唱 But then, once you're doing your own thing,
你就开始探索自己想要什么 it's like you have to try to understand what it is you need
怎么样让自己开心 and what's gonna make you happy.
掌声献给 丽萨·费舍尔 Give it up. Lisa Fischer.
那时我在做第二份录音然后 I was working on a second record and...
我不知道 花了太久的时间 I don't know, it just took too long.
真的很漫长 是有一个机会 It took too long, and there was this window,
却很漫长 and it just took too long.
我觉得没人知道该拿我怎么办 I just don't think anyone knew what to do with me.
我觉得我自己都不知道 I don't think I knew what to do with me.
我从来就不了解这部分 That's something I never really understood,
商业的部分 just the business part of it.
要有很多的精力 It takes a tremendous amount of energy
去当一位独立歌手 to be a solo artist
以及绝对的自信才能这么做 and a tremendous amount of ego to want to do that.
而她从来没有这种自信 And she's never had that kind of ego.
我觉得是有心理原因的 I think there is a psychology behind it.
大部分的伴唱歌手都赞同 I think most background singers will agree
我们不太会自我推销 that we're not really good self-promoters.
这圈子是为那些能够把自己 You know, the industry is for those who put themselves
展示出来 而且愿意来做这件事 on display and are willing to play the game,
有些人天生就不是 and some people aren't.
某种奇怪的角度来说 主唱与伴唱歌手 In a strange way, the gulf between the lead singer
之间的差距是非常大的 and that group of backup singers couldn't be wider.
你要融入一个群体 You're going into a group format
需要你放弃个性 where you sacrifice individuality
完全融入进去 in order to arrive at that blend.
而这种融合 And the blend is something
不仅对听众有感染力 that's not just infectious for the listener.
对歌手也有很大转变 It's... it's the transformative experience for the singer.
但有些人只想留在幕后 And some people just wanna stay there.
真正的音乐家 Real musicians,
对歌唱是有一种精神追求 there's a spiritual component to what they do.
跟世俗的成功是毫无关系的 It's got nothing to do with worldly success.
他们的音乐更像是一场内心的旅程 Their music is much more of an inner journey.
其他的成功不过是锦上添花 Any other success is just cream on the cake.
有一种观点是说你上了《美国偶像》 There's this idea that you can go on American Idol
突然就成了明星 and suddenly become a star,
但是你有可能就忽略了 but you may bypass the spiritual work
你所需的精神品质 that you have to do to get there,
如果你忽略了 你的成功是非常浅薄的 and if you bypass that, then your success will be wafer thin.
人们丢了大部分音乐的本质 People lose the heart of a lot of it
因为他们内心没有成长起来 because they haven't grown up with, you know,
他们必须要经历 我称之为脱皮的过程 having to go through that, what I call wood shedding,
必须要真的能说出 "我要专注于 having to really say, "OK, let me focus in on...
我们真正需要的做的事情" this is what we need to do."
现在有一种预算 在每一个 There's a budget right now, in every...
每一个唱片预算 叫 "调音" every recording budget that says "For tuning."
那是指 分配给调音的最多时间 And that's, you know, how many hours are allowed for tuning.
我就问"那是什么""把各音轨调准" And I said, "What's that?" "Oh, we have to tune all the vocals."
"他们为什么不唱准呢" "Well, why don't they sing in tune?"
"那太耗时间了也太难了" "Well, it just takes too much time and it's too hard."
所以他们就唱 然后全部调音 And so they just sing and then they tune 'em all.
对我来说真不可思议 And that's ridiculous to me.
有请凯尔·米诺格 Please welcome Kylie Minogue.
大家晚上好 你们感觉如何啊 Well, good evening, everyone. How you feeling?
事实上 我得到了很多批评 Actually, I've gotten a lot of criticism.
我有做过几份以为能混过去的工作 I've done a couple of gigs I thought I would get,
以为能侥幸混过 我甚至还戴了假发 just get away with, you know. And I even put a wig on.
我戴了直发的假发 I put, like, a straight-hair wig.
在杰·雷诺的演出 Like, on this Jay Leno gig,
没人会知道那是我 no one's gonna know it's me.
然后我就看到粉丝的推特说 And then I get these tweets from fans, like,
"你为什么要这样 你在她身后唱歌" "How could you do this? You're singing in front of... behind her,
你直接从迈克尔到了…" and, you know, you go from Michael to..."
就有很多批评 我就觉得 And like just criticism, and I'm like,
"你们怎么会知道那是我" "How did you even know that was me?"
但是我还是在一个过渡阶段 But I'm, like, right in the transitional stage here.
我还没有红到可以把什么工作都推掉 I am not at a position where I can turn down everything,
因为作为一个艺术家 because all of these things as an artist
真的很昂贵 而我的梦想也很远大 are really expensive and my dreams are huge.
所以我一直在兼职当伴唱歌手 So I have been doing some background singing on the side.
朱迪斯 我知道她的声音非常好 With Judith, I knew that she had an incredible voice.
我知道她在教会唱歌 I know that she sang in church,
听她唱歌 and it was a really wonderful thing
真是享受 when I heard her songs.
我说 "你一定会成功的" I said, "You're gonna do something."
斯蒂维对我成为艺术家也非常兴奋 Stevie is very excited about me as an artist as well.
而且他也表现得很明显 He's really shown that.
但是我很骄傲我能够…我不在乎 But it's just an honor to just be able to... I don't really care.
我就是喜欢和他一起唱歌 I mean, I just love singing with him regardless, you know.
虽然你很享受这样 As much as you're enjoying this,
但不能忘了自己的梦想 don't let your dream disappear,
就因为你想跟我一起唱歌 because you wanna be with me or be around me.
你必须走出去 去唱你自己的歌 You gotta step out there and do your thing.
人们一起唱歌 People singing together
对我来说 是人们团结在一起 has always meant to me people coming together.
真正感动人的是在于人性 而不是机器 What moves people is the humanness of it, not the machine.
真正全身心投入地歌唱 That's not the same as someone
给听众的感受是完全不同的 singing and playing to you and putting their heart into it.
优秀的伴唱歌手 很有感染力 And great background singers, you know, it's moving.
有很长一段时间 差不多五年左右 For a long time, I'd say a good five years,
在唱片里你完全听不到伴唱歌手 you couldn't hear a background on a record.
他们不会发出任何声音 You wouldn't hear anybody doing a hum or an "Ooh"
也不会回应歌词什么的 or a "La" or... or an answer line or anything.
完全没有 Nothin'.
伴唱歌手没有那么多工作 There's not as much work for background singers,
因为多年来很多人就直接打电话 because different ones have called me over the years
问我 "你还在工作吗 and just asked me, "Are you working?
罗斯·斯通
因为我都没接到你的电话" 'Cause my phone hasn't been ringing."
很多家庭录音室 他们让家人来唱和声 A lot of home studios, people have their families singing,
再自己主唱 doing all the vocal parts themselves.
这让很多歌手都丢了工作 It's just put a lot of singers out of work.
到了90年代 When you get to the '90s,
你可以看到很大的结构变化 you're starting to see major structural changes.
70和80年代录音棚里的盛会 The big recording sessions associated with the '70s and the '80s,
已经不存在了 they're not happening anymore.
人们不想有伴唱歌手 People didn't want to pay the background singer,
因为他们觉得不需要 'cause they don't think they need it.
他们说 "我们不需要 They were saying, "Hey, we don't have to...
我们不需要付钱" We don't have to write that check,"
却不知道那才是音乐 not realizing that was the sound.
这就是为什么乔·考克 And that's why Joe Cocker
滚石和罗德·斯图尔特 and The Stones and Rod Stewart,
大卫 那么多厉害的人 David and all of these wonderful people,
他们都有伴唱歌手 they have their singers there.
他们需要伴唱歌手 They need those background singers.
你的确会纠结 是不是有个分界点 You do tend to wonder, is there a cutoff point
或者有方法能够毫不留情地 or is there a way to leave this occupation or this life
离开这种生活 without dying of heartbreak or, you know, or just,
或者这才是最上瘾的毒 is it the biggest jones of all?
你对音乐上瘾了 你就完蛋了 You get hooked on music, you are fucked, you know.
当你处于一段感情中 是有一种感觉的 When you get into a relationship, you know, there's an energy.
就像是你看到一对夫妻进入房间 It's like when you see a married couple walking into a room.
即使他们分开 You see them part,
也能感觉到他们之间的牵连 but you still feel that string that binds them.
我从未真正拥有过这种感觉 I never really had that.
所以我一直觉得我属于所有人 So I always felt like I belonged to everyone, you know,
在我心底的某个角落 a part of my heart,
在那一角落我真的属于任何人 a part of who I am belongs to everybody.
有时候当我跟 So, I mean, sometimes when I, you know,
已婚的朋友或有孩子的朋友聊天时 talk to my friends who have children or who are married,
我会自己想 I think to myself,
"也许我真的该结婚或者生孩子 "Hmm, maybe I should've gotten married and had some kids
像他们一样" 不过我觉得我很好 and done all that kinda thing." But... I'm good.
我非常的好 I am so good.
丽萨实在是太多才多艺了 Lisa is so incredibly versatile,
当你才华过人 then you almost, you're so talented,
你都可能有了选择焦虑 you almost get like option anxiety.
我该怎么办呢 我应该继续R&B吗 Well, what do I do? Should I stay with the R&B thing?
因为R&B那时候太火了 Well, R&B was so big at the time.
但是你要去跟 Then you're up against
惠特尼和玛利亚·凯利之类的人比拼 Whitney and Mariah and blah and blah and blah.
那我是不是应该多去唱唱摇滚 Then, maybe I should do a little bit more of the rock thing.
然后她的电话响了 And her phone rings
是米克·贾格尔 and it's Mick Jagger
他说 "来滚石吧" and he says, "Join The Stones,"
这是一件很难 and that's a hard thing to,
很难去拒绝的事情 you know, to turn away from, you know.
真的是 That's a...
有一个女性的声音是非常好的 It's great to have the female voice, you know,
不然就只有我我我 otherwise it's me, me, me,
我自己和一点点基斯 me and me and then it's a bit of Keith and...
但是这都是很阳刚化的 But still, you know, it's still the same kind of masculinity.
然后丽萨这样的声音出现了 And then when you can get someone like Lisa to step out
你就有了全新的一种声音 and you've got a whole new voice out there.
我完全可以听到米克怎么唱 It's like, I could hear how Mick was singing it
我也知道怎么跟他回应 and I, you know, react to him a certain way.
感觉只有我和他 一种很奇怪的解脱 Like nobody else was in the room. It was freeing in a weird way.
她为什么不再往前呢 Why isn't she promoting herself
为什么她总跟滚石乐队一起唱呢 and why is she out with The Rolling Stones all the time?
是因为她很惬意 It's because she's comfortable doing that.
她喜欢这么做 而且她完全明白 She loves doing it and she's got it all to herself.
她一点都不傻 She's not stupid.
丽萨从1989年开始是滚石乐队的女声领唱
我想自由自在地 I wanna be able to walk the
走在大街上 不用想着 streets and not have to worry about, you know,
戴墨镜掩藏自己什么的 putting on sunglasses and hiding out and, you know,
就昂首挺胸地 the tits up in the air and, you know... I just... I...
我没有那种感觉 就是没有 I'm just... I'm not feeling that. I'm just not feeling that.
有人为了出名什么都干得出来 Some people will do anything to be famous,
而有人只想通过歌唱出名 and then there are other people who just will sing.
我只在意跟听众们产生的共鸣 It's not about anything except being in this special space
像是一个崇高的使命 with people, and that is really the higher calling to me.
仿佛每次我打算做点大事 Seemingly, every time I get ready to do something really big,
做点非常厉害的事 or something really, really wonderful,
总会出点事 something would just happen
直接把我打倒 that would just knock me to my knees, you know.
可别让别人知道你这衣服是皮克和萨福家的 You don't want everybody to know you got this at Pick 'n Save.
我说 "天哪 怎么回事 I said, "God, what is this?
我不该这么做吗 Am I not supposed to be doing this?
如果不该这么做 If I'm not supposed to be doing this,
就给我个征兆 告诉我不应该 then show me I'm not supposed to be doing this,
然后我就放弃" 可是没有过 and I won't do it, you know." But I never was shown.
- 阿门 - 赞美主 - Amen. - Praise the Lord.
我保持自己的作风 谦虚 And I just stay cool, stay humble,
注意形象 然后认真唱歌 stay beautiful and just do the work.
谢谢 非常感谢 Thank you. Thank you so much.
如果有人说 "你要这么做 If somebody says, "You're gonna do this,
你会成为国际巨星的" you're gonna become an international superstar,"
大家肯定愿意付出 of course everyone would spend the money and do that.
可如果你生活窘迫 But if you're living in a little place and you have no money
只有一点积蓄 有人说 and you got a little bit saved and they say,
"你要拿全部积蓄冒险 "You gotta risk all of that
还不一定能成功" and you still might be working McDonald's tomorrow,"
你要是做了 I think you gotta be
肯定是疯了 absolutely crazy to go after it like that, yeah.
那就像 It was just...
我走到了岔路口 却不能选择音乐 I came to a fork in the road and music wasn't on it.
我教了十几年西班牙语 I've been teaching Spanish for ten to 15 years.
歌唱一直是我的遗憾 It's always been a missing link.
没能坚持下来真是可惜 It's been a regret that I didn't just hang in there,
尤其是我看到 especially when I see my
当年的同伴继续歌唱的时候 contemporaries progressing in their musical lives.
我从没说过歌唱不适合自己 I never said it wasn't for me, never.
就算说了 也是在骗自己 我就适合歌唱 If I did, I was lying to myself. It's always been for me, always.
大胆唱吧 也许这样 Just do it. Maybe that's one
就再也不用受折磨 way to get rid of that gnawing once and for all.
大家热烈欢迎朱迪斯·希尔小姐 Let's have a warm, warm welcome for Miss Judith Hill.
有种体制可以让没天赋的人成为明星 There's machines that make people stars that don't have talent.
他们不用真唱 They don't really sing live.
朱迪斯可以利用这个体制 Someone could have done that for Judith,
但我觉得她更厉害 but I think what she has is deeper,
也许唱片卖五亿张 and maybe selling 500
对她都不算什么 million records is not the best thing for her.
光有天赋不够 It's more than just leaning on your talent.
要学会自律 You gotta be disciplined.
早上要早起 要刻苦训练 Gotta get up in the morning. You gotta go do it.
机会来敲门了 开门吧 开工了孩子 Opportunity's knocking. Open the door. Get going, kiddo.
我们生活的这个当下 In these times that we're living in right now,
很多事情其实 a lot of it is based on so many other things
都跟音乐没关系 that have nothing to do with music.
但是否发挥自己的天赋 But, you know, at the end of the day, it's up to you
取决于你自己 to perfect that gift that you've been given.
把灵魂倾注进歌曲 Put your spirit into that song.
专心于每一个字 Focus on the words that you're singing.
融入到歌曲中 Get into the experience of what you're singing about
唱自己的心声 and sing your heart out.
每次爬起来 都有可能摔倒 Every time you get up, you might fall down,
但你还是要爬起来 but you gotta get back up again, you know,
而且告诉你 and believe me when I tell you,
这很难 尤其是我这个年纪 it's not easy, especially at my age.
我40岁才开始自己唱 I didn't start my solo career till I was 40.
今天是午夜秀 Tonight marks the 25th anniversary
一项节日传统的25周年纪念 of a favorite holiday tradition here at The Late Show.
女士们先生们 欢迎 Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome
超级棒的达琳·乐芙 the remarkable Darlene Love.
2011年摇滚名人堂入选仪式
我非常荣幸地 And now it is my honor and pleasure
为大家引荐摇滚名人堂成员 to induct into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
达琳·乐芙小姐 是时候了 and about time too, Miss Darlene Love.
谢谢摇滚名人堂 Thank you, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
我感到万分荣幸 I am truly honored and overwhelmed.
我们中许多人 梅瑞·克雷顿 沃特斯 So many of us, Merry Clayton, the Waters,
都是站在她的肩膀上 we stand on her shoulders.
我妈妈跟别人说 My mother told this one lady,
"我女儿现在在纽约百老汇呢" "Oh, my daughter's in New York now. She's on Broadway."
他们就问 "哪个女儿" And they go, "What daughter?" Said,
"给你家打扫过卫生的那个" "The one that used to clean your house."
舞台上流水的歌手 I've seen artists come and go,
周围的伴唱却是铁打不动的 and I look around on stage and it's the same players.
他们投入演唱事业 一直唱下去 They're in the game, or they've stayed in the game
成了传奇 非常厉害 and they're legends and they're amazing.
做伴唱歌手帮我发现了自我 Singing background, it helped me find me.
发现了对音乐的爱 It got back to the love of music.
我们有天赋 听到歌 We have a gift. We can hear a song
就能用自己的声音给它和声 and find our part and harmonize with it.
角落里的小孩子这么做 Children on the corner's doing it.
婴儿学唱歌的时候也是 Little babies do it when they learn to sing.
这就是天赋 It's the gift coming out.
怎么发挥天赋取决于你 Now, what you do with the gift is you.
像以前一样 Like the old days.
下一段 OK, next session.
我的情郎 My boy!
我实在是太爱他了 I've got so much love in my heart for him,
他不在 我都不是我自己了 and I just don't feel like me when he's not around.
两条腿的男人遍地有 Yeah, there are boys and there are boys,
可他是 but he's a...
达琳·乐芙 Darlene Love!